Ben Stein on CO2 Emmissions
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The following is an article from Ben Stein.
In case you don’t know who that is, maybe this picture will help.
Would love to have your thoughts via the comments at the end of Mr. Stein’s article.
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:00AM
Let me be clear: I hate air pollution.
When I am in a traffic jam on the 10 Freeway in Los Angeles, with thousands of cars and trucks belching out carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, I feel as if I’m being gassed by my fellow motorists — and they probably feel the same way about me.
I am not entirely convinced that the burning of gasoline causes climate change, and there are smart people with good points on both sides of this issue. But I do assume that filling the atmosphere with CO and too much CO2 is not good for children and most other living things (although C02 is good for plants).
And there is an economic impact to air pollution. A recent study co-authored by two Cal State Fullerton economics professors shows that air pollution costs the California economy more than $28 billion per year.
What Can We Do?
So what can we do about this problem? The goal, obviously, is to greatly reduce the amount of carbon being released into the world’s atmosphere. But how do we do that?
I will preface my first musing with this: I am a fan of Governor Schwarzenegger’s. But I don’t understand how actions to reduce the amount of carbon gases being produced in California (still a great state despite the recession) will do much good for the overall problems of Earth’s atmosphere. Likewise, I don’t see how lowering carbon emissions in Maryland (my home state) or Connecticut or New York will mean much to the life of our planet.
Gases do not just stay in one place. If you lower carbon emissions in California or Maryland while people in Rio and Mumbai are still producing gases as fast as they can, and if these gases spread all over the earth, then what good can any one U.S. state’s action do? I am told by a friend who is a meteorologist that we do not have even a vague idea of where the inflection points are at which the climate and the healthfulness of the air will be affected by a cut in CO2 and CO in any one place.
I keep wondering why we would bother to do these cuts at all unless we can get global enforceable accords with no exemptions. Perhaps someone out there can answer that one for me.
Just today — January 26 — President Obama is endorsing the notion of states’ setting individual air pollution goals and limits. I would love to see the gas-movement science behind this suggestion. Maybe there is a scientific basis for this idea when it comes to particulates that fall to Earth in a place near where they are discharged. But C02 is not such a particulate.
How to Make the Cuts
Then there is the matter of how to cut carbon in the first place. Many people, including our new president, seem to favor the cap and trade method. In this system, a cap limit will be set on all U.S. carbon emissions. Within that limit, individual company caps will be set. If you go under the cap, you can sell your unused carbon credits to someone who is over the limit and needs credits. There would even be a carbon trading exchange for trading these credits.
But who knows what the total cap should be? Would that not assume a level of precision in economic and scientific measurements that we lack?
And how do we assign the individual limits to each company? That requires a government bureaucracy so far superior to any I have ever seen that it’s breathtaking.
Scientific Secret Police
How do you decide how many credits per dollar of output each company gets? How do you measure their carbon emissions? How do you decide if a company is so fragile economically that it needs extra credits from Uncle Sam? This sounds like a job for the scientific secret police.
And what about that carbon trading exchange? In bad times, the price of the credits will collapse and polluters can buy them on the ultra cheap and continue to pollute. How is this a good thing?
And again, what good does it do mankind if the U.S. caps its emissions while India and Brazil are still grinding out carbon-based gases? And why should we make these cuts and possibly imperil our economy if others are still polluting?
A Tax on Output
If we do need to cut carbon output — and I assume that we do — might not a simple tax on carbon output be a better idea than cap and trade? Yes, this idea has flaws as well, and there are questions to mull. For example, how much should the tax be and who, if anyone, should be exempt?
And again we have the international problem. But at least the tax could be held constant so that we would have a steady incentive to reduce carbon emissions. And we could use the proceeds to lower other taxes and stimulate our economy.
This is a complicated and important issue — so I hope for lots of thought ahead of any actions.
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4 Responses to “Ben Stein on CO2 Emmissions”
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Frank J. Sasevich says:
All gases probably increase global warming, even oxygen, but the culprit now is CO2. Carbon Dioxide is best removed by planting trees, shrubs, etc. that fix the carbon dioxide into wood over a long period of time. The resulting wood can be used as building material, but it can never be burned. Maybe waste wood should be buried so it could turn into coal in future eons. Efforts must be made to stop cutting and burning down forests, especially the rain forests.
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Heman Dominique says:
Mr Stein raises the question of: “others are doing it so why can’t we do it?”
Well first as Steve said it is a moral and legal issue for a State to protect it’s citizens from pollution and health risks.
Also the USA is the Worlds biggest polluter per capita, and is considered a leader in this World, if you lead others will follow!! So lead by example instead of saying that others are doing not so nice things too. -
Muhil says:
Does Mr. Stein know that majority of indians spend only 10 litres of water every day and get electricity for 8 hrs only.
If we have to reduce our emissions then all the indians would have to forgo the shabby public transport we have and commute by walk
Western world has polluted the earth and everyone is suffering the consequences…Does he know about the changes in our monsson season and droughts due to that
Mr. Stein makes good points about GHG emissions not respecting state borders, but there is no valid reason for states to address livability issues within their borders. Large GHG emitters tend to also emit levels of mercury, sulphur dioxide and other contaminants that foul ground water and local air. States have moral interest and legislative authority to regulate their environments and reduce substances that have negative health related effects.
A globally enforceable emissions treaty, with specific measuring standards, is required. That is being addressed by the UN at it COP-15 summit at the end of the year. The US and our biggest trade partners/polluters – China and India, have a sorry record in that regard. Success and global adaption of COP-15 standards will help drive governments to incent alternate energy and carbon sequestration subsidies and research. International adoption of COP-15 will go a long way to addressing Mr. Stein’s concerns.
Fair Cap and Trade legislation should create ‘emitter profiles’ based on industry type, numbers of employees and sites. For instance, a coal fired plant will have a carbon cap proportionate to the Megawatts it produces, assuming all relevant carbon mitigation techniques are pursued.
Mr Stein is uninformed when he states there is no way to track where GHG emissions originate. Purdue University’s Vulcan tracking system uses DoE data and NOAH/NASA satellite thermo and spectro imaging to map CO2 and CO hot spots and has been incorporated into the new Google Earth. This can graphically demonstrate where leading GHG emissions come from. For instance, we know now the greatest per capita emissions in the US come from the Southeastern US, not from the industrial, rust-belt North as was once believed.
Source:
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2008a/080407GurneyVulcan.html
http://www.purdue.edu/eas/carbon/vulcan/index.php